FILM AL PACINO DE NIRO

Al Pacino and Robert de Niro oui spanned generations oui acting royalty. Et their latest, The Irishman, has auto feeling de one final coronation. Here auto two legends riff about Scorsese, The Godfather, and five decades ns Hollywood fame.

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“We got ensemble early on,” Al Pacino said, gesturing at Robert De Niro. “And conditions météorologiques shared something, which was a gros thing at the time.” thé two homme were sit in a hôtel suite in nouveau York, trying venir sum increase 50 years du friendship et the weird, singular bond that comes from being two de the most heralded actors du their generation. The balcony door was open, venir catch the September breeze. Last night martin Scorsese’s The Irishman, in which castle both star, had premiered at the new York cinématicien Festival, and they’d spent virtually every hour due to the fact that being fêted. And so, in spite of their often fantastique reputations, there to be a sweetness about them. “New York film Festival, this is a prestigious cinématique festival!” Pacino claimed earnestly.


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After the life showing du the film, De Niro and Scorsese emerged onto a balcony in Alice Tully Hall, arms approximately each other, as the group stood venir applaud. Later on that night, je watched De Niro et Pacino come to be overwhelmed de well-wishers at an after-party at Tavern nous the Green, where joe Pesci and Spike Lee et Bobby Cannavale mixed in v triumphant Netflix executives in année overheated VIP room. The reviews ns the film to be good. Lock looked, sitting nous a couch in front du me, prefer two masculin who couldn’t believe their luck.


In 1974 lock both starred—in separate timelines that never intersect—in The Godfather part II. it wasn’t until most of the way through 1995’s Heat the they finally appeared in the same frame ns the very same film, facing éteindre across a diner table, and even then it was for only a few electric minutes. In the interim, both De Niro et Pacino made innumerable classics, et also 2008’s Righteous Kill, the sapin film in i beg your pardon they mutual multiple scenes. In The Irishman—based on Charles Brandt’s true-crime livre I Heard tu Paint Houses, about thé disappearance du Jimmy Hoffa (played in thé film passant par Pacino) et the underworld right into which cette disappeared (represented by the struggle man franc Sheeran, played by De Niro)—the two homme give surprisingly emotional performances, suffused passant par their background with each divers and, in De Niro’s case, v Scorsese. (Somehow this is Pacino’s first function in a Scorsese film, and the first time the three men—along v their costars Pesci et Harvey Keitel—have made something all together.) the movie has the feel of an old et august gang reuniting parce que le one critical job and looking back, occasionally ambivalently, on many lifetimes of work about violence and love et loss.


Pacino is three years older than De Niro and visibly protective ns him. De Niro is famously a homme of few words in life and a masculin of even fewer native in front de journalists. During auto afternoon we spent together, he sat quietly nous the couch et barely spoke, except to laugh oui Pacino stood to roar or acte out characters and scenes native their corresponding lives. Even now De Niro looks prefer himself: When he shrugs, elle see a dozen top movie personalities flicker v him. Pacino wore a baseball couvercle that cette periodically removed venir reveal a wild mane ns hair—the watchful beauty de his youth has longue since turned à a cheeky chaos, a montrer clairement glee to still be at it. Pacino is nous a recent run de characters, ont in The Humbling jaune Danny Collins, ravaged passant par time and pride, while De Niro has actually increasingly found himself play fathers et grandfathers, homme who have as much venir express and as au sens propre to in reality say as he self does.


Their dynamic, at the very least today, to be tender. Often Pacino would certainly intercept questions intended pour his friend and answer them himself. At thé end du the interview, both homme stood and embraced pour a long, quiet moment. “I amour you,” Pacino said venir De Niro.

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hijackingcatastrophe.org: The Irishman is a little peu deceptive. Ce appears to be a classic Scorsese–De Niro bandit movie, et then, as you’re city hall it, she like, Oh, wait. This is a cinématicien about mortality and coming to auto end ns things.Al Pacino: it sort de bleeds out. It’s oui though somehow marti has uncovered a way to importer at his within feelings about fémoral in a very subtle way. Je know when je saw it, je was moved passant par it et I thought, Why être I feeling this way? et I feel like it’s about nous in a way. Around people. What are nous doing?


Bob, amie talked joe Pesci right into doing thé movie, in part passant par saying, “This could be auto last one,” right?Robert De Niro: Yeah, i was on joe about it. Cible he knew that. We toutes les personnes know that. I mean, we’d prefer to do other tasks together, et maybe si we’re lucky, nous will, cible this—I said, “Joe, elle gotta.”

Is there something bittersweet about coming à a mission where anything that you guys do together could be the last one?Pacino: it didn’t enter ma mind. Cette always feels prefer that’s in some way année outside determination. And perhaps in 6 weeks jaune something, i’ll say, “Hey, the was good while ce lasted.” but basically you don’t think that way. Aller you, Bob?

De Niro: No. I mean, elle don’t.

Pacino: elle don’t think the way. Due to the fact that you’re in your body doing your thing, et you’re thinking, Well, it’s auto same old, very same old. thé same old is: yes sir a script, there’s a director, et is there a role pour you? At least that’s auto way i think: Is over there a role à la you to play in it?


These characters could oui been going to see your film on the weekends; it’s the same period oui Mean Streets and The Godfather. Is cette strange venir see temps that tu lived v turned right into a period piece?Pacino: as a writer, amie see that, cible we nothing think that way. Well, I’m not speaking à la Bob here. But you nothing think du your first in the past oui a duration piece. You seulement don’t.

De Niro: <laughs>

Pacino: someone said to me seulement recently, “How old space you?” and I said, “Well, that’s favor asking me comment long do you think I oui left.” At a bien sur period, there’s something rude about questioning someone how old they are.


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“I saw this guy, je thought, Wow, he's got such charisma,” Pacino raffinement about meeting de Niro parce que le the first time. “He wasn't doing anything. Hey was just walking. Remember? elle know, he was Bob. but you feeling something native him.”


Is the joindre that you’re somehow too old for what you’re doing?Pacino: ns just nothing know. Je think it’s personal. Like, i’m looking at you now. Ns not thinking about comment old elle are. Tu look choose a young homme to me, marqué I view a marriage ring. Je see, i wonder, Wow—but ns don’t try guessing it. Certainly ns don’t desire to aller it in front du you.


When ns leave maybe.Pacino: Yeah, when elle leave, we’ll go over it. What do you think that mec is? comment much temps does he ont left?

Also, you’re Al Pacino. Si someone desires to à savoir your age, they can look cette up.Pacino: Well, this is quel we’re plagued with, you have to understand. When celebrities have birthdays, it’s tous over auto news. Tu can’t lie around your very own age! Actually, that expression “You look good for your age” comes in. But I i can not use heard that in a long time. Maybe: “You look good to still be alive.”

De Niro: <laughing> Right.

Pacino: cible it has a lot to faire with choices, cette has a de nombreux to à faire with auto kind du roles elle get. Since with us, nous don’t just go home et write. Nous need à find roles.

It’s fascinating quel you said, Al, about lâge dictating unité somewhat. You’re conditions météorologiques a good run de playing prideful homme at thé end of their lives: Danny Collins, the Humbling, Manglehorn. ns wondered si you to be doing those parts because you felt a bien sur kind of affinity. Jaune is it because that’s what you get sent in the mail?Pacino: No, completely because of their thematic material. Amie look pour that. I’m doing roles and thinking about doing jambe like King Lear. I’ve to be approached to à faire that several temps now. I’ve never ever thought de that as a film. Et suddenly, elle say, “Well, let me pick cette up and start feather at it et reading it.” and you uncover there are jambe in it you understand more that you didn’t before. Sauce soja it’s a funny kind ns thing, when those awarenesses start venir creep in nous you without knowing it. Ns didn’t also think of doing King Lear, which i was readily available 10 years ago. But now when i look at it, je understand part things ns just no then. Soja there’s these mini revelations the come along.


And Bob, for you it’s to be fathers, like the character you phat in Silver Linings Playbook: males who oui a beaucoup of love to give cible don’t have to know how to pass it along. Et obviously that’s really much threaded with The Irishman as well. Is the a thematic issue you parlez to?De Niro: Yeah. It’s année appealing one, et it’s relevant to mien life and I guess: v a beaucoup of people’s lives, obviously.

You guys both have worked nearly constantly. Bob, I’m no really aware du any du repos you’ve ever taken. Al, the seul time off je really know you oui taken was after Scarface, in 1983, climate Revolution, in 1985.Pacino: je went around four years without make films. Then je went broke. Bob knew about it.

De Niro: <laughing>


Pacino: the was only the tons time i went broke. There was de nouveau time too.

What was the other time?Pacino: fine leave that alone. Marqué when i went damaged the tons time, the person je was living with at thé time said, “What faire you think you’re gonna do? live off de me?” ns thought, No. elle said, “You gotta work.” i was relatively young when this happened venir me. So ns just made decision not to faire this for a while.


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“It's not that you're competitive,” aux Niro says about his long friendship through Pacino. “You're up for the same parts. Favor Godfather—Francis want Al. Marqué every actor knew about it, and I think the studios was forcing him à look .”


Why’d tu decide no to faire it anymore?Pacino: it was seulement kind of année impulse. A peu of thé bloom was éteindre the rose pour me, artistically and expressively. Cible somewhere in the back of my head, je always felt ns could work. Je always feeling I’d be able to get work. And then auto truth is je needed to aller work. Ns had to earn.

Did you learn noþeles from taking a break?Pacino: i remember how wonderful ce felt to even sort de contemplate anonymity. Even though i wasn’t. Cible I did feel a little… You know what they say: out ns sight, out du mind. Since there was année intense period. Cette was, i would say, more of a happier period in my first than ns remember. That doesn’t median I’m gonna faire it again. <laughs>

De Niro: was that the time elle were doing the documentaire you were mirroring me?


Pacino: Yeah, The local Stigmatic .

De Niro: je liked that.

Pacino: i was mirroring Bob stuff. Et he thought i was nuts. Of course he was very nice, though. Like, “What is cette doing?” cible we were close. Conditions météorologiques were an extremely close. Soja pretty much—what, 30 years, 40 years?


De Niro: More, yeah.

What’s the earliest memory that tu guys ont of each other?De Niro: Well, when we met, je think je was in my mid-20s. Et you were probably a paire years older 보다 me. And that was about 50 years ago.

Pacino: i remember the rencontrer very clearly. Unbelievably, i saw this guy, je thought, Wow, he’s got such charisma. He wasn’t doing anything. Cette was seulement walking. Remember? elle know, cette was Bob. but you feeling something native him.

Were elle guys competitive v each other?De Niro: It’s not that you competitive. You up for the same parts. Like Godfather—​Francis want Al. But every gibbs knew around it, et I think the studios was forcing him to look , native what je understood du it. Et I never shown this with Francis, marqué they were putting pressure nous him to use somebody est différent than Al.

I remained in a reading oz with paul Sorvino wherein Francis was nous the téléphone talking à one de the studios heads, maybe cette was Bob Evans, about another actor—I’m no gonna say who ce was, cible if ns said who it was, you’d say, “Jesus.” but they were in a fight movie at thé time. Et Francis is an extremely open. He’s talking in prior of année actor. Saying, “I really don’t think that they’re right à la it, lol blah blah.”

Was it Michael that tu were analysis for?De Niro: ns could oui been reading pour Michael, or i was reading for Sonny. Because i knew that Francis want Al pour Michael. Marqué the word was out additionally that he wanted Jimmy Caan parce que le Sonny. Marqué he was going through auto pressure, Francis, unbelievable pressure that they were gonna push elle to aller things. It’s seulement the la nature of it.

I wonder si you men are friends in aller because sauce soja few other people deserve to really parlez to your respective tons experiences.Pacino: We volonté together. And there’s a to trust there. There just is. Nous understand this thing ensemble a little bit better. And you aller there sometimes just to volonté some feedback. Nous talk about things.

De Niro: Kibitz. Ns don’t know si you know that word.


I do.Pacino: nous kibitz.

I imagine there room not a de nombreux of people who can understand, really, je vous demande pardon it’s like à la the two de you —Pacino: Well…

Maybe not. You’re disagreeing.Pacino: je mean, it’s seulement such a different civilization now. Celebrity is different. And fame is, ns think, sought-after much more than cette ever to be in ma lifetime. It’s sort of a cart-before-a-horse kind of thing.


Younger actors cité you guys to me, et they’ll to speak they admirable you guys for giving much less away. Like, Al, maybe you’ve excellent a coupler of things, favor a big Playboy interview, but Bob, you hardly do interviews at all.Pacino: hey used à tell ce to me. He’d say, “No, ns don’t require to. I’ll marche to Al et talk around it.” No, I’m entirely joking.

Did you ont to find out that, Bob, jaune was that always your instinct?De Niro: No, it’s seul the way ns am. Ns just feeling a little—but je felt that amie were that way too.

Pacino: i was that way. I mean, that Playboy interview, the was Larry Grobel, who je got à know. Marqué I’ll raconter you the truth, ns think i did it because he did Marlon! and he walk Barbra Streisand, elle know? and I thought, Wow. Et he came venir me and I said, “Well, Marlon...” See, a de nombreux of my influence, i don’t savoir about Bob, was Marlon. Thé way hey dealt with things. Cette was reclusive in a way. And so i thought amie don’t give that away, since that is part de what your performance art is.

De Niro: Yeah.

Pacino: It’s keeping the côté blank jaune the canvas blank so it doesn’t impact the performance you’re giving jaune the character you’re playing. The was my idea of it. And Marty Bregman to be a big help to me, my directeur at auto time. ’Cause cette would constantly say to me, tu know, something would certainly happen, et I would say, “Gee, need to I aller on TV?” et he would seulement say simply, “Not you, no. Elle don’t want to do that.” and the truth is some du these toutes les personnes that do aller it, the young people, are very an excellent at it. They’re wonderful gibbs too. And they know how to due to the fact that they grew up v it. That not auto same kind ns stigma ont it used to be when nous were younger. The changed. Some very prominent young étoiles told moi that too. Cette just stated to me straight out, “I know how to à faire this because cette just came out of my upbringing.” et he says, “I know you didn’t. Amie didn’t have that.” et I thought, Gee, he is making a good alloue here. but there’s nothing yes, really against it at this point. It can’t yes, really hurt you. Not us. We’re no young. We’re beyond cette now. Currently they come to you and they want to write books.


You mean about tu guys?Pacino: lock want à write a livre about Bob, a livre about me. I didn’t want venir write a book. Ns still don’t. Je would probably, if ns was writing a book, i would wake up in auto middle of the night screaming. Something about somehow talking around the life I had et how i lived and toutes les personnes the fémoral in it, if it didn’t make je scream—I don’t mean that so much ont it would really bother moi to aller back there and go with things.


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Bob, you participated in making a beautiful cinématicien about your father, 2014’s Remembering thé Artist, Robert aux Niro, Sr., and I think at thé time tu said ce was pour your enfants too, right?De Niro: Yeah, i did it à la the kids and grandkids and the family. That was the original intention de it. Sauce soja that they were aware of who hey was.

The Irishman is really much about a homme at thé end du his life looking back, trying à make sense de it. When amie look ago at thé lives you led, what à faire you think of first?Pacino: <A longue silence here.> Well, ns guess ns think around the people that room no longer in mien life. That’s what I think about. And of course, my kids.

De Niro: Sure. She looking back, fémur that i have been v in mien life. Did i make this decision correctly? et that one? et I say, “But this is what ns did et you live and learn et that’s it.” You seulement gotta keep going et make the meilleur of things, and I’m pretty fortunate in a de nombreux of ways. So i want to always save that focus.

Pacino: that’s a big thing. Elle start emotion grateful.

And as soon as does that kick in?Pacino: Well, when you practice it. Because amie forget a lot about that. But then when amie think: It’s true. there’s a beaucoup to it is in thankful for.

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Are there specific roles that amie look back nous with pride?De Niro: of course. Cible I mean, i feel the this film is a—I mean, i could ont shot for de nouveau five jaune six months through Marty. Ce was a an excellent experience. And this is other I’m very proud of that conditions météorologiques did.


To continue the work, or seul in general?Pacino: Well, in general. Appetite for whatever—work, life. If you observed The Humbling, part ns what motivated me to aller that cinématique is because i thought ns that. Thé idea that what happens when amie don’t have that anymore. God, to me it’s a gift. It’s a genuine gift. Desire, ns think sometimes it trumps talent. Maybe cette goes hand in hand. Je guess ce must.

The talent part is not in question pour you two, but when tu think ago on comment you came to be successful, is the luck, jaune is cette that elle had much more desire 보다 the next guy?Pacino: that a combination du luck and other things. Let’s affronter it. Just something ont simple ont being at thé right time, thé right place. I mean, à come out de the ’70s, once our kind of actor was following the way paved by Brando et Dean et Newman and toutes les personnes these great personnes back then who opened the door à la a beaucoup of people like us. And Scorsese et Coppola and Spielberg et Lumet et these people—they were all around then. Et Lucas et De Palma. This to be a period at that time when cinématique was flourishing. Cette was various than auto time avant it, i think. Not meilleur or worse, dérange you. It was different. et I think the there to be a new kind of person out there, in that period.

We to be talking about commonalities that you guys have. And one ns many is that you’re both officially trained. Ns don’t know if there are Stella Adlers et Lee Strasbergs about anymore —Pacino: Bob was a Stella adler student. Soja was Marlon.

De Niro: i don’t sait what thé acting-teaching instance is today. I’m certain there are really good personnes who teach today. I know, with Stella, elle had a point called scénario analysis that je had not experienced when i was researching at thé Dramatic Workshop. Et she was opposed à what Lee would à faire because Lee, she felt, to be a cult de personality. Marqué at auto same time, elle had Marlon, who was an extremely much toutes les personnes that stuff. But he was a an excellent actor and wonderful, et part of his personality came with in his acting, ce was all together. Et we tous looked up venir him.

Pacino: i saw newly something he did, Streetcar, the cinématicien Streetcar. yes sir a section in there, and I was informing Bob—or was ns telling myself? cible I was telling him about this temps where he’s playing cards and Karl Malden is flirting with Vivien Leigh et they’re having a flirt together, et Brando’s par the kitchen playing cards v his poker buddies et he’s going crazy ’cause he is losing and he’s half in auto bag et he’s playing, et then she singing et the radio’s on and he starts saying fémoral like, “Shut that radiophonique off!” <Pacino is now totally performing oui Brando in a loose re-creation ns one the most iconic scenes in cinématicien history.> and then this one des moments where the guy throws down his cards, Brando throws under his, hey goes, <in full Marlon voice> “Bam! over there they are. Over there they are.” et he lays under this great poker hand. And the homme next venir him, his friend, goes, “Here! Here!” and he throws under a hand that beats him. Et Brando just looks at it and gets upset, because this musique is playing and he walk out right into the est différent room et takes thé radio, pulls it out de the wall, <Pacino is conditions météorologiques his feet now, acting out the scene> et throws ce through thé window and it all winds up v him in the rue going <at a full yell> Stelllllllllllaaa! This is a few protocole long. Et it is a pass that is accurate a tornado. That not like you’re watching an actor in année acting school getting yes, really angry. Ce is an ext than anger. Cette is nature. et when je saw it, ns just reflected nous it.


Bob, you are famous for your preparation parce que le roles, which conditions météorologiques don’t ont to rehash here, marqué I only found out newly that you watched The Godfather, like, 50 times before you go The Godfather aller II.De Niro: Well, yeah, je looked at it. That funny, what je did through one du the producers, Gray Frederickson. Cible we went to thé Paramount building right here, i m sorry is currently a trump hotel. Nous went there, and me et Gray went increase to thé 30-something floor, where the screening room was, et I had actually a Wollensak reel-to-reel tape recorder et a camera and I put ce up there so it just caught the whole screen et then conditions météorologiques shot. And then anytime Marlon’s pieces come on, i would prendre note it. That’s comment we did it. And I watched that a lot.

So no Al.De Niro: No, it was all Marlon.

Pacino: ns was this gangly kid. Like, “Look at him. There cette goes.”


Just thé Marlon parts.De Niro: Well, it is who je was playing. Ce was practically like a technological exercise in part ways. I was seeing what hey did et how could je transfer the to the scenes that i had.

Bob, has your way du feeling your means into a performance changed?De Niro: everything is different. When je was younger, I’d be worried about certain things that ns would not worry about now, due to the fact that it’s just, you’re anxious et you want à make sure. And so you get toutes les personnes sort of revved up, whereas je vous demande pardon you yes, really should à faire is not get revved up et just relax and let fémoral happen. Et sometimes that just comes from experience. “It’s gonna be okay, you gonna it is in there. Don’t push for anything and don’t importer anxious that you’re gonna comprendre it, due to the fact that then you will do it never comprendre it.” haricot de soja you’ve done all your homework, you’re prêt to go, and you just aller in et do it et don’t think about it. Ns mean, it is a meilleur way to aller into something, et especially si you’re with a director that understands that, respects that, like Marty.

What à faire you think keeps tu going and continuing venir say yes à stuff? particularly when ce would be really easy to say no to plenty de things.De Niro: Well, je mean, periodically it’s just financial. You à faire something et you comprendre paid well et you say, “I’m gonna make ce work.” Or, “There will be fémur that will be an excellent about it.” and I’ve excellent that—when i was a young actor and I had to à faire stuff, je was lucky i got thé part. And I said, “I’m no sure about this jaune that. They’ve louer me à la their reasons, marqué I’m law it pour mine as année actor.” elle don’t always ont the luxury du working in a instance like with marty or David O. Russell jaune Francis Coppola or Barry Levinson. Nothing versus the other directors. Marqué you take her chances.


Pacino: You à savoir what? i may it is in falling right into a mauvais habit now. I think I’m beginning to comprendre a au sens propre perverse. ns starting to want to do films that aren’t really an extremely good and try à make lock better. and that’s become mien challenge. Ns don’t think I marche in thinking it’s no gonna be really good, but it’s choose Bob said: occasionally they sell you money to do something that’s no adequate. Et you speak yourself into it. Et somewhere within you, you savoir that this point is gonna it is in a lemon. Cible then, when cette comes complete circle, and you view it, elle say, “Oh, no. I’m gonna make this better.” and you spend a lot of time and you’re doing tous these things, and you say, “If je can just volonté this venir be a mediocre film,” and you importer excited de that. It’s an impulse that I’ve got to just put the away now. “Every temps I get the urge venir exercise, i lie under till cette passes.” That’s oscar Wilde, ns think. Cible the point is the it’s true. I work on stage a beaucoup when I’m no doing divers things.

I’ve constantly wanted venir ask elle about this. There’s année anecdote amie used to parlez about acting. You were in Boston performing à la a very perceptive pair of eyes, and—Pacino: Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. <to De Niro> You savoir that story? At thé end du the play, there to be these eyes conditions météorologiques me. Je went, “Who is this?” elle know, “Is this gonna be my true love?” ns see lock again during thé curtain call. Je couldn’t think this. There to be such focus. so when thé lights came up, ns turned to auto right, et there castle were, deux Seeing Eye dogs.

De Niro: Really?! <laughing>

Pacino: i said, “That’s auto theater.”


I realized that I’m no sure what this histoire is in reality supposed venir mean.Pacino: Well, cette really way that when you’re the end there, all kinds of impulses room working. You’re live. Ns mean, je was law Richard III once, and I looked at the public to talk about something, et in the lundi row to be this woman standing up v a hunchback et her eyes—I was doing a monologue. Et she’s up over there looking up like this <Pacino is on his feet, impersonating a woman through a hunchback gazing toward auto stage> and she was smiling at me. Et I said, “Poor woman!” tu know, i couldn’t aid it, je smiled at her. “WE’RE speak HERE, BABY! YOU and ME, WE know IT!” et we just—


De Niro: she said that? elle said that?

Pacino: she didn’t speak it. Je didn’t to speak it, either. Ns was doing Shakespeare. Marqué at the same time, i felt it: We’re dance here. Oh, ma God! once those fémur happen, as soon as you’re conditions météorologiques the stage and a bat comes on the stage, je mean, parce que le God’s sake, it’s so alive, tu know?

I guess i always believed the mission of that story is the performing is seul communing with auto void. Tu don’t know what’s out there.Pacino: exactly right. It is what it is. I was jeune when it happened. I was in Boston. Ns was a enfant doing a play. Cible at auto same time, ns was drawn to it. Because let’s face à face it, those dogs are focused. Je mean, castle protecting their owners.

You men both oui really exciting histories with auto Academy. Al, amie were nominated four temps in a heat in thé ’70s.Pacino: Wow. It is intense.

You say “wow” like you didn’t sait that.Pacino: ns didn’t think four times, but yeah. In a row? that’s pretty good.

You didn’t savoir that?Pacino: ns know there was a de nombreux of times, marqué I didn’t à savoir four in a row.

Yeah, it’s four in a row.Pacino: that’s intense.

And tu didn’t show up the first year, right?Pacino: je don’t think je showed increase a coupler of those years.


Why not montrer up?Pacino: Well, you ont to understand, this was toutes les personnes new to me and I was exceptionally affected de it. I was a signification littérale concerned about what was going nous with my life. There was a contrast venir what i was and what je had so recently become. So i was going with a period du adjustment. And Bob knows. Hey was approximately when cette was vantardise to me. I was having actually a daunting time. Je think ns was afraid de it à la whatever reason. There was numerous reasons. Je also take it a de nombreux of inebriants at the time. But I think i was…somewhat confused or something.

De Niro: <with good empathy> Yeah, sure.

Pacino: i mean, ce happens.


Bob, when elle won parce que le The Godfather aller II, you also no go, right?De Niro: No. Je had to be away shooting through Bertolucci in Italy. So i couldn’t go. Ns don’t sait whether if je was there je would have gone, cible I was away shooting. Je got a appel at, like, six in thé morning my time, like, ripe at night, i guess, L.A. Time.

I’m curious comment you decide conditions météorologiques projects. Auto last movie you guys walk together before The Irishman was Righteous Kill. What’s the calculus nous getting associated with something choose that?De Niro: <laughs>

Pacino: cette called me! we thought conditions météorologiques were gonna à faire something. It was année interesting story.

De Niro: je mean, nous wanted to work together. I don’t want à say something bad, because nous did it et I go it.

I think i was more seul trying venir give auto movie as an example. Si a understand filmmaker like Scorsese asks you to à faire his film, ns can view why you’d à faire it. But you males do toutes les personnes sorts ns films, et you more than likely don’t need to at this point. So what—Pacino: conditions météorologiques really thought conditions météorologiques had something over there that nous could faire something with. There were a parcelle of various things i really can’t talk around now. He knows je vous demande pardon I’m talk about. You’re meilleur not talking around it.


De Niro: cible we had actually a good temps doing thé movie. The what cette was. And I did to speak when nous were together—

Pacino: I’ll never forget that, je vous demande pardon he’s gonna say.

De Niro: nous went à Europe, a couple of cities, à la the premiere, et I said, “Well, look, Al, one day arrêter hope that we’re gonna be here pour a movie that we can yes, really feel good about.” that’s all. Nothing versus that movie. Marqué it wasn’t je vous demande pardon this une is.

Pacino: it was very simple what hey said. Je said, “Damn, that would be good.”

Do elle feel prefer your relationship to Hollywood has readjusted over time?De Niro: ns mean, I go out there. Hey lives out there.

Pacino: je live there.

I was talking much less about thé geography and more around Hollywood as année industry.Pacino: ns want to get back right here a lot, et I à faire come ont much ont I can. I have friends here.

De Niro: we were just talking about it.


Pacino: I aller have a hard temps with auto winters here, i must say. Cette gets too cold pour me.

De Niro: You’re native Philadelphia?

I’m indigenous Philadelphia, yeah.De Niro: One ns the coldest days i ever shot was in Philly, doing a reshoot v Bradley Cooper nous Limitless. Oh, man.

Pacino: tu had to be outside?

De Niro: When i did it, ce was in auto summer, so we wore lighter clothes, et we to be shooting in auto winter now. And I couldn’t even say the words.

Pacino: That’s auto worst thing about film. The is auto worst. Let’s face it. In the end, conditions météorologiques are humans.

Well, i was about venir say, can not you just be like, “Excuse me? ns Robert de Niro. Get me out de the cold.”Pacino: “Let’s faire it un autre day.”

De Niro: quel are you gonna do? she gonna shoot. Placed on long underwear, you have to aller out et shoot.

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Pacino: i wouldn’t à faire it. I would seulement say, “I’m sorry, there’s autre day, it’ll be warmer. Et if it isn’t, fine find another place. This is film, man!”

Zach Baron is hijackingcatastrophe.org's senior staff writer.

A dépense of this histoire originally appeared in auto December/January 2020 issue with thé title “O.G.s.”

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